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Phil Ivey Might Still Get His £8 Million - Granted Court Appeal Against Crockfords

Tags: Crockfords, edge sorting, Phil Ivey, punto banco.
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2015 by "T".

Phil Ivey, 39, was denied his winnings of almost £8 million in August 2012 after playing a card game called punto banco at a casino in London. The owners of the Mayfair gaming club Crockfords declared that Mr. Ivey had been cheating and had broken the rules, thereby his win is not considered valid. Denying this, Mr. Ivey claimed that he utilized a completely legitimate technique called "edge sorting".

What exactly is edge sorting? Mr. Ivey put to good use the tiny flaws in the cards' design - uneven or asymmetrical differences in the patterns seen at the back edges which are created during the cards' manufacturing process.

Here's Mr. Ivey's thoughts on edge sorting: "When you are a professional gambler you are always looking for ways to gain an advantage over the casino. It's their job to prevent me from having any advantage. Sometimes I come out on top, sometimes they do."

The owner of Crockfords, Genting Casinos UK, emphasized that edge sorting was not a legitimate strategy in poker and thus represents an act of cheating. They said that their croupier was deceived into helping the poker pro after he pretended that he was superstitious. He made the staff to allow him to play again and again with the same pack of "lucky" cards that bears a pattern allowing him to implement the edge sorting technique.
After playing 2 nights at the casino, he was informed that his winnings will then be wired to him. However, that happy feeling of getting your winnings turned to disappointment when the money did not turn up, and he had never spoken about the case until now.

Even if he brought a High Court action into the picture due to the fact that his winnings were not paid out, it failed and so the case was closed last year.
However, Mr. Ivey's hope on the matter was once again renewed now that he has been given the go-signal to appeal right after a judge ruled that his case raises a crucial question of law and he has a "real prospect of success".

The latest update regarding this long-running dispute is set to be on December 10, 2015 at the Appeal Court. The lawyers of Mr. Ivey shall reiterate that cheating involves dishonest actions, yet the judge found that their client was not dishonest.

Phil Ivey is an American professional poker player who currently lives in Las Vegas and under his belt he has won 1 World Poker Tour title, appeared at 9 World Poker Tour final tablets, and he has won 10 World Series of Poker bracelets! He has been considered by many to be the best all-round player in the world.

When asked what he thinks about the entire ordeal, Mr. Ivey remarked, ‘It is not in my nature to cheat, which is why I was so bitterly disappointed by the judge's decision a year ago, even though he said I was a truthful witness. This is really great news. I am getting a second shot and I'm hoping we will win this time around."
He also remarked, "When you're accused of cheating it's a very big deal in gambling. I'm not allowed in certain casinos because of what happened. But my colleagues have been tremendously supportive - they know what is cheating and what is not".

source: dailymail.co.uk


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8 comments for "Phil Ivey Might Still Get His £8 Million - Granted Court Appeal Against Crockfords"

 klash2312/1/2015 4:37:23 PM GMT
I wish Phil Ivey good luck in his appeal,he must really want to clear his name as taking this sort of case through the courts in London is probably costing him a fortune . I have said this before but the casino allowed him to dictate the play so I have no sympathy for the casino and they were quite happy for play to go on when he was losing.
 bowie198412/2/2015 2:30:27 AM GMT
I have said this before but the casino allowed him to dictate the play so I have no sympathy for the casino and they were quite happy for play to go on when he was losing.

TBH there is no hero nor villain in this story, both side's opinion have gotten a bit questionble when it came to full story, so I hope nobody will be happy with the decision...
 pochui12/2/2015 8:19:46 AM GMT
well to be honest how can you call cheating when someone uses casino decks to play game according to casino rules? did he change the deck when no one noticed? no... did he bamboozle the croupier... yes- but that is croupier's and casino's problem not ivey's. croupier could have said no to ivey's requests and casino would not lose money... he said yes and the casino surveillance dudes had nothing against it... so they are responsible for their own losses.
 shokaku12/2/2015 9:04:37 AM GMT
Yep. Lame argument from the casino. But good enough to win the first round. Lesson from this. If one should ever win at a casino, take the money and run. Then they have to sue the player, and comming up with such case, after the dealer was the only one touching the cards, and paying out the money in the first place, will be much more difficult for them.
 Fakiry12/2/2015 2:17:59 PM GMT
If the cards have some kind of problem that allows the player to take advantage of it in the game, what does that have to do with cheating? It wasn't the player who chose the cards... Come on, Ivey deserves the money. If he goes to dices and he realizes the dice have some edges rounder than others, can he complain about that to the casino?
 bowie198412/3/2015 2:45:50 AM GMT
Posted by Fakiry:
If he goes to dices and he realizes the dice have some edges rounder than others, can he complain about that to the casino?

Of course he can. But Ivey will never ever gonna play craps on these kinda limits.
 coinflip2312/3/2015 11:04:47 AM GMT
The casino agreed to the rules of the game and used the deck at the request of Ivey. They should pay out. Although technically it's not cheating I can't help but think he comes across as a greedy gambler in this scandal. He's already absolutely minted so why bother?
 Cardmonkey12/6/2015 9:05:11 PM GMT
All matters regarding what cards to use are ultimately the call of the Casino, if the casino is using cards that are marked or lets say different from each other in design, then that is their bad. Phil Ivey is obviously a very smart and observant individual. Good for him.

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